I understand that this situation must work for them, and there are religious considerations, but can I be the first one to say I don't get it at all.

There are many things I want to comment on but don't want to step on people's beliefs. I t's not my intention to offend but to understand.

Firstly, I come from what I consider a large family (6 brothers and sisters) but I still struggle with not getting enough love and attention as a kid. I can't imagine how impossible it would be with 17!

Amongst other things, I'm also concerned for environmental reasons, which may seem pretty heartless... but we live on a planet that can't sustain the population we've got. People having so many children surely places a strain on resources, etc.

Of course, every child is and should be loved and welcomed... but how do you explain to them they may die at the age of 30 because the temperature is rising, the water is running out and an oil shortage has turned into a political and nuclear meltdown?

Religious obligations aside, is having 17 children responsible?

It's irresponsible and selfish for the Duggars to create so many of their own children when there are so many orphans already in this world who need parents and a good home. Not to mention the threat of world overpopulation (which is expected to almost double what it is now by the year 2050) which will adversely affect all of us living in this world of dwindling resources.

WOW! What effect that must have on her body.

You know that's nice to hear.

It's a uterus, not a clown car. That whole buddy system squicks me out.

Wow, baby number 17. It wasn't that long ago TLC showed those two shows about the Duggar family. They looked a bit like Stepfords, but as long as they're not on the public dole whatever floats their boat per number of kids.

I was still shocked when they were at 16 and that one was still a little baby. I'm still shocked at the 16 they have, now going to be 17. I know they have love to give and such, but that just seems like an awful lot of work, and they could've given all their love to three or four, or even one. Even I can't imagine having that many. But different strokes for different folks, and geez, they sure do put that meaning to the true test. That's still about 15 too many children for me, lol.

I'm still wondering how they remember which kid is who, and I'd get confused/bored of having so many kids with a J-name.

But good luck to them on their seventeenth child. Wow.

wOW I'm surprised that waited so long to have antoher one.

That is just insane :-) Just my opinion but I do not know how a person could be actively involved with and properly parent each child when there are so many. I think the older kids must help out with the younger but still it just seems crazy. And to say they will keep having more... Each child is a blessing but my goodness! I just can't imagine having my attention spilt 17 ways let alone being pregnant 17 times (and I had a breezy pregnancy)!

All I can say is.....oh my.
I know that children are wonderful and rewarding, but 17? She must really enjoy being pregnant, and the births must have been reasonably easy or she wouldnt keep going back for more.

I have to say though that I dislike the whole same-letter name thing. Besides the fact that it would be very confusing, I think it is corny. (and it is hard enough to find 17 baby names I like, let alone ones that begin with the same letter!)

Are the 17 and 8 year olds twins? or did they just have them within the same year? That is a lot of kids.

both sets of twins.

WOW! Always thought she would have another one, I love the TV documentaries about them. Doesnt make me feel so bad having my 8th baby now LOL and here's me thinking I was catching up to her :)

I love the Duggars. Although they are a bit crazy, they inspire me. Not to have as many children, but that if they can do it with 16 (now almost 17!), I can do it with 2! The fact that they don't live beyond their means, that they built a house by themselves and don't carry debt....with so many mouths to feed, what am I doing wrong that I can't keep out of debt and manage my household like they can? It really makes me stop and think and draw inspiration.

WOW....17 kids!!! That's awesome Michelle still has plenty of energy. I was getting tired just reading the ages of all the kids. More power to them!!!

Good luck and congrats to their growing family!!!

I try hard not to be judgemental; sometimes I succeed, sometimes I don't. This family really challenges me in that regard. Personally, I think its completely irresponsible but what do I know. What it comes down to is whether or not those kids are happy. I'd be very interested to hear once the kids are out of the house and living on their own if they actually were happy growing up in a family like that.

Wow another baby! And I thought my uncle was extreme at having almost 8 kids. (Actually it would've been 8, if their one boy hadn't been a still birth in 1995.)

Anyway, yes the Duggars have many, many children, however they are living within their means as well as they can, and probably find loophole ways to sometimes get extra food & supplies. (Going on TLC doesn't hurt either, just look at the Rolloff family.)

Still though I wonder now, with some of the Duggar kids becoming teenagers and older, I wonder how much longer it'll be until they "marry off" some of the oldest ones, to like minded families? Especially the daughters? I think Michelle Duggar was only 17 when she married, in 1984, however she didn't begin having kids until a few years later. (It's only a matter of time then for Janna and Jill...Still I rather doubt they'd want to become a mother as many times over as their own mother. lol!)

I'd hardly care they had 17 kids if not for the fact that they expect their kids to be little mothers and practically full-time babysitters for their younger ones, not to be able to do their own homework (homeschooled!) until they help the little ones with theirs (if you need your kids to teach your other kids maybe you should send them to public school) & when they built a huge new house they split all the kids into TWO dorm-style bedrooms and used the rest of the space to build a worship area, according to their website.

So, really, I don't think they're doing the best by their kids. I don't care if they're debt-free, that doesn't make a good home life and those kids are going to get a slap in the face when they go into the real world ... if they do.

Lilybett and Taylor-
I completely agree with the both of you. Yes, children are a blessing and when they are born should be cherished...but to purposefully bring 17 children (and probably more) into a world that cannot keep supporting this many people at the rate we're going is simply not a blessing. I don't even want to get into the argument but basically what it comes down to is that either we begin to address overpopulation ourselves (in whichever ways we can) or the Earth will start addressing it for us and I'd rather not think about what that could mean.

17 kids is a lot. And their older children must not have social lives, having to be second mommies and daddies, which if that suits them, then great. I was 12 when my mom had my youngest sister, and I would have died if I couldn't have hung out with my friends.

Why is it irresponsible for them to have 17 kids? It's their life and if they want to have 17 good for them. They shop at the salvation army for goodness sakes and they drive a bus. How is that hurting anyone else? From what I seen, they are a loving and caring family and I am realy happy for them.

If anyone has seen any of the documentaries that have been on Discovery Health, they employ a "buddy system". Which is pretty much the older kids taking care of the younger kids. Not fair for any of them to be saddled down with that. If they want to have 17 kids, fine, but let them take care of them all themselves. I for one would hate to have my entire life dictated by my irresponsible parents.

It's irresponsible because it's highly unlikely they are able to provide the love and support that 17 different kids need. Granted, the older ones probably don't need (or WANT) as much attention from their parents, but there are an awful lot of little ones.

Aside from that, like another poster said, they rely on the buddy system -- each older child has to take care of a YOUNGER child. The mom has said before that she is the child's "buddy" until they become a toddler. What message is that sending? To me, it's "You're good enough until you're two, after that I'll shove you on to another kid."

That being said, I still think they are interesting and I absolutely like that they are debt free (though, I really think TLC had a part in that). Congratulations to them anyway, since it seems like it's a happy thing for them.

More power to them as long as they are able to take care of them. This family seems very loving and they seem closer than a lot of families with fewer kids.
Healthy happy pregnancy Michelle!

Good thing they started out with the letter J - can you imagine trying to find 17 names with the letter U?

I hate to say anything negative about such seemingly nice people, but I guess I'm going to anyway...

I agree with most of the people on here - it seems like a lot of children - probably too many considering the toll it'll take on the environment, but then of course not many families choose this for themselves.

I also think that with that many children they are not getting the individual attention that children need and crave.

Someone else mentioned it and I have to agree. Why produce that many new lives when there are so many children without homes? Wouldn't it be just as easy to say that they are going to let "God give them all the blessings he wants" through adoption? I understand that most people have a need to have a biological child, but they could have had two of their own and changed the lives of 15 children without parents.

Of course the flip side is that they raise 17 children with great morals and work ethic that can go out and change the world. But from what I've seen from the children's interviews they all want to get married and produce more of the same.

I absolutely agree with Lola. My aunt had 15 children. They are taking care of their own children-financially, physically and emotionally. They are completely devoted to their religion. I don't see anything wrong with that. I would have a problem if we were expected to financially provide for these children, but we are not. I wish them a healthy, safe delivery.

I understand everyone's concerns on this BUT I actually think they are doing a really good job with their children. They don't swear or cause trouble like some do and they seem to be really kind and thoughtful young people. While that lasts then who are we to say they are doing wrong? Many people with just one or two kids can't manage to raise their kids like that. My only concern is that the kids themselves may have feelings that they missed out on a "normal childhood" when they get older. Although that can happen to many people for all sorts of reasons. Good luck to them.

I dont believe that this is right by any means!I saw the show and its sad that the older children are having to go on and raise their little brothers and sisters and not have a social life!These poor kids arent gonna wanna have any kids by the time they get done raising their brothers and sisters.
Jim and michelle should know when to stop!
Yes she says they are a blessing and I trully believe they are BUT he has to learn how to excuse me for saying this "PULLOUT"!!!
They are a blessing because she has no choice.How are they gonna put all these kids through college? Are they going to home-school that as well? I'm sorry but I think these people are extremely selfish. Just my opinion though!!!

It's ridiculous that this couple believes their older children should take care of the younger ones. If you go to the discovery health website, there is an article on the family. Get this, Michelle homeschools all of the kids. I don't understand how these children can be learning anything other than how to properly change diapers because their mother is always giving birth.

If you want to have 50 kids, that's your right. However, it's not the responsibility of the other children to feed, change, and clothe the younger ones. For pete's sake, at least offer the older children the option of going to school. They deserve lives too!

Everybody keeps saying that they're irresponsible for having so many kids and talking about overpopulation but they are taking care of their kids. The people who should be called out for overpopulation are the people who are getting pregnant and then cant take care of their kids and have to give them up. As far as having that many kids and being a happy family, my godparents have 11 kids and they are the happiest family in the world.

There are worse fates then being born into a large, loving family.

I try to keep perspective and remember that so many children are born into loveless, abusive homes or without enough food or clean water to drink.

Best wishes for a healthy baby!

This is wrong, wrong, wrong! Someone needs to tie his tube and hers.

Wow! I cannot imagine having to go through 17 pregnancies! Raising that many children has got to be tough. How do they provide for all of them? Good for them if that is what they want!

I agree with you Amy... who are we to say how their homes lives are and whether or not they are happy... who are we to be that judgemental. We here all the time of rich kids... who pretty much do not want for anything, turn out to be drug addicts and pass down their issues from generation to generation. I don't see them sitting around waiting for the government to send them a check, and having kid after kid to keep the money coming or better yet to qualify for that earned income credit at the end of the year, that is where I see "overpopulation" issues. I wish them the best.. Me... one is good enough. I am trying to figure out how to juggle gymnastics and soccer on a weekly basis. And that is enough stress for me. I couldn't imagine keeping track of 17.. but that is just me... they have always had a possitive attitude.. have their beliefs and stand by them.. what else do we want from them?

Everybody just needs to get off it already. They aren't hurting anyone, and it's their life, whether they want to have 2 children or 200 children is nobody's business but their own. Honestly, knowing their reasons for not preventing pregnancy, I totally understand where they are coming from. I couldn't do it, but I understand it. I think it would be just as selfish if not more so of them or anyone to prevent a child because it would put a strain on their lives. The kids are fine, they know they are loved, they have better values then most kids I see with only one or two siblings, and if they buddy system works for them then so be it. The older doesn't "take care" of the younger, they watch out for them, and help mom out by helping them if needed.

To answer crystal's questions about the kids' education, here's a bit of an article about the family from several yrs ago:

"...Joshua, the Duggars' oldest son, finished high school at age 16. He passed the state's test for a general equivalency diploma, or GED. He is considering applying to a California law school that permits distance learning. His goal: to enter politics..."

And how the parents met:

"The Duggars met as teenagers. She was a cheerleader at the public high school here. He attended a private Christian school...The couple married just after she graduated from high school. He was 19, she 17. Neither went to college. Together, they launched a used-car business, then towing and real estate businesses. Both are licensed real estate agents...."

So obviously they supposedly keep a very tight control on their kids...although it'd be quite interesting if any of the older kids had a myspace page or something. ;)

To each his own. I wonder if they manage as well as the TV show protrayed their lives to be. They seem to be able to afford such a large family.

I still wonder what having 17 births does to her body.

Maybe they should put a TV in the bedroom.

Children are a blessing and if they can afford them all the better I have a sister in law with 7 and it started to mess with her mental state after awhile. Being pregnant so many times is hard work both mentally and physically. The first two were about 3 years about, but with the last 5 kids she was pregnant every 18 months or sooner.I simply can't imagine, 3 kids in 4 years was enough for me!

I had a friend growing up that was one of 12, it was a crazy situation as well. I used to wonder how her mother could possibly spend any quality time with any of them. My friend did feel neglected often because the little ones always came first. Once they reached a certain age they were expected to do the majority of the chores and their mom would just breastfeed, change diapers and cook meals when she was up to it. The older children(from 7 and up) were responsible for keeping up the household running. It seemed really unfair.

I also noticed on the specials that the older Duggar children are expected to help out tremendously with the younger ones. That is nice to a point, but they are still young themselves. I am glad for them their family is so able to handle this, but it most certainly is not for everyone.

I was 15 when my next-to-youngest brother was born and 18 when my youngest one was born. For me, my parents having another baby when I was that old was a good thing. Not that I had plans to run around and do stupid things, but seeing what it really took to raise a family and run a home really kept me in line. I knew that, for myself, I was NOT ready.

I think the buddy system that they have going on is a good idea. The kids aren't TOTALLY responsible for the little ones, but it also gives them a lot of hands-on for what it takes to raise a family. I think if more kids had that type of responsibility (with adult supervision), we'd probably have fewer people on welfare.

Just a few comments..
In regards to the dormitory style bedrooms, the kids requested them to be that way.
I watched the TV specials on the family, and I think if some of nay-sayers did you may have a different feeling about them. They seem very old-fashioned, but the kids seem happy, healthy, and well-rounded. They are home-schooled, but are involved in extra-curricular activities in which they interact with other kids. I'm pretty sure the family is debt-free and their house (which they built themselves and let the kids get involved in) is completely paid for. If that's what they want to do, I say good for them ;)

This family was debt free BEFORE the TLC shows...they have never relied on government assistance, never taken food stamps, their kids are self sufficient, well behaved, educated beings, and the family is raised on morals and old fashioned values...

Yeah..take them out and shoot them. How DARE they have a large loving family together if they so choose.(rolls eyes)How DARE they provide for themselves and their children, build their OWN house and homeschool. How DARE they be HAPPY! IF they are such a detrement to society, why not deport them to a deserted island somewhere (rolls eyes again)

Not to be gross, but were these all vaginal deliveries? My aunt has 8 children and her last was a set of twins (vaginally) and she said that it was tremendously easy.

Her kids also have no social life and no friends outside of the family. Her oldest 2 are little mothers and cook and clean while shes at work because she is divorced and single. I feel so bad for those kids.

It just reminds me of Jenny McCarthy's book Baby Laughs.. one of the chapters is called "Blowing Out Your Vagina (vaginal delivery)" 17 kids...i bet!

There is something to be said about loving children but they are taking it to the extreme. It’s my understanding that there is some real danger that could result for Mrs.Duggar, she could die and her uterus could rupture. Her body is not a machine and pregnancy is very hard on the body, It’s amazing that this family who is so deep routed in religion would not just except the blessings that have already been given to them and be happy with that. I’ve been fascinated by this family but I remember watching the show and seeing the children as little robots. I don’t believe for a minute that each child ever has the opportunity to have any real individualized attention focused on them and that is sad.

Wow, they really could move to Europe because the population here is getting old (you know, lack of births). LOL The highest number of children I would have is 6, which I think would make a pretty large family, but 17...nevermind.

Like many of you, I watched on Discovery Health about The Duggar's and though it does seem like they've lost their minds at first but once you watch them interact with each other and their lifestyle, it doesn't surprise me that they're having another child. It may not make sense to anyone else but it does to them. They're a loving family. A million questions ran through my mind on how they can financially afford to take care of their children and well they some how figured it out, through businesses they've owned in the past and investments. I'm sure having two documentries featured doesn't hurt either and i'm sure they'll get another one. The only thing I'm unclear about is how is each child able to have one and one time with their parents? I know they touched on the subject but oh well to each their own.

With all those kids, when do they have time to have sex????

I love this family - so happy for them! =)

And to the people who are criticizing them: What their shows before jumping on them. These people aren't hurting anyone or anything. They wouldn't even hurt a fly. They have all these kids but guess what? They aren't even a penny in debt, they don't live off the government, they keep to themselves, and every single one of their kids are happy, healthy, and loved (and yes,each of those kids gets a TON of attention, even from their parents.)

Seriously - watch the show and learn a few things before pointing fingers.

So say Michelle goes through the menopause at around age 50, she could still have 10 more kids! Blimey! 27 children!!! I wonder what the world record is, think i'll google it :)

I think it's wrong of everyone to judge them and say that having 17 kids is "irresponsible." They plan each and every one of their children, they are a loving family and the kids don't suffer in the least.

Congratulations to them and best wishes for a happy and healthy baby girl.

Many people are commenting that helping to rear younger siblings is somehow a burden on the older children. Perhaps it teaches thems social responsibility? Plus, with that many siblings, I'm sure they are plenty well socialized--it's just with one another and not with neighbors. What kind of "social life" does a minor child need anyways--dinner dates, meetings, whatever? I'm sure they know friends from Church or cousins. Not every child must come equipped with a cell phone ya know?

There isn't enough time in a day to give each of those children 1 on 1 time with a parent.

Statistically showing children from extralarge families go on to have very limited number of children themselves.

It's unfair for children to have to help raise their younger siblings.

She has a long way to go for the world record. Apparently, the record is 69! Ironically... :)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1271793.cms

This is mainly for lilybett...First of all...THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS PLANET!!! There is plenty of room for everyone, because people die at the same rate as they are born. Anyone who has a problem with the recently claimed "enviromental problems" is a hypocrite and a half, unless you live in a cabin in the woods with no clothes or electricity, you are contributing to the environment in a "negative way" in many people's eyes. There is nothing we can do....(come join the fight against-the fight against global warming...lol:-)) As someone who just survived a Macroeconomics class, my professor suggests we all have big families, because this means more people will be out working, which causes the Aggregate Expenditure curve to rise thus causing numerous other positive economic effects...basically more children stimulates the economy.

As for the Duggar's...they have plenty of money for all those kids...oh and plenty of land with that huge house on it. JimBob said there is enough room for each child to build a house of their own if they want. I'm not a hugely religious person, but I think their family is perfect and I think we could all learn something from them. They know how to make it work, and some people with two kids are clueless. I am sure each one of those kids is loved...and loved by 17 siblings!!! I think it's great. They are all healthy, happy, and all in all perfect kids!!!
ps lilybett...how much energy did your computer use up while you wrote your long comment???

Liza, most of those babies were vaginal deliveries.. she has had two caesareans for poorly positioned (transverse) twins and Johanna. Most of her care has been with hospital based midwifery. Therefore only having necessary surgery! Not on a whim.
The woman should get credit for advocating that this surgical intervention is lousy!
But seriously people... 17?! yeesh.

How about critisizing the crack addict mother on welfare wth 5 kids living in the Chicago projects? Or the 14 year old who got pregnant and gave her baby up for adoption. Or the couples in third world countries who continue to have babies that starve to death or die of AIDS? THAT'S irresponsible. Those are the people you should be preaching to about abstinence. Not a god-fearing, loving, responsible, non-government dependent family who happens to live outside your norms as far as how many children to have. These children almost always seem to have a smile on their face, they obviously all love one another and apparently they're doing something right because none of their children has ended up in juvenile hall somewhere.

And what about the latest news about how Germany is facing a serious problem because couples are choosing not to have babies or at the very least, *less* babies than generations before. And because of that they are facing a serious population shortage in the future. You speak as though noone dies in this world. Yes every day thousands of mothers bring babies into this world but everyday people are also dying all over the world too. In hospitals, in their sleep, on the freeway, etc. Nature has a way of taking care of itself. I think we're a pretty long ways away from the world imploding on itself guys. Global warming is real, but don't let yourself get fanatical about it. So we should become like China and set limits as to how many children each couple can have?

I highly commend this family for their ability to have 16 children and yet still manage to strike a balance somewhere. As for how they could possibly put all these children through college, perhaps their children will do what the majority of the rest of us do/did and that's pay for it themselves with loans and grants! That's what they're there for. A parent is obligated to raise a child until the age of 18 and see they are fit to go out into the real world with the rest of us. They're not obligated to pay for college, though if you have that luxury it's certainly nice.

Congratulations to Jim and Michelle. They too are an inspiration to me. Sometimes I find myself wondering how I'll do it with two kids under the age of 3 and then I remember this family and say "Hey, if she can do it, I can too!"

I have to agree with Lola as well, and completely agree with Sweetdiva. Yes, 17 is a lot, but who cares? You don't see people criticizing Steven Speilberg for having so many children. Or Angelina for getting so many so quick? They seem like a great family, smart kids, and full of love. I am a family of 14 children, all of us are still pretty young, 30 and under, and think a big family is the way to go. My best wishes go out to them!

Wow, quite a few judgmental comments here! I am fascinated by this family. I think they are raising good kids. More power to them! They don't rely on your tax dollars to survive, so why is everyone so bent out of shape about them? I'm not religious at all, but can respect their beliefs and way of life. I wish them all the luck with baby #17. I'm currently expecting my 6th child, and would love to have more. Large families are wonderful!

If Michelle would just practice ecological breastfeeding, her babies would be spaced every three years. And if the "Lord's will" was truly her concern, she would actually do so.

Wow I can not believe that there are so many negative comments. It is their life and her body. From what I have seen of the family they are the most caring and compassionate family. There is so much love coming from that family I wish them the best, and I will keep them in my prayers.

Ecological breastfeeding wouldn't have anything to do with it. Some women DO ovulate while EBF. Nothing is fool-proof unless you use complete abstinance.

WOW! 17?? I hope Mrs. Duggar takes time out for herself every now and then to remember to take care of herself. I hope they give her a lot of "me time" because she's done A LOT for that family!! She's very blessed to have children naturally like that. There are so many folks who struggle to get pregnant. I do know she's blessed. Geez Louise!! 17 kids?????? Sex for pleasure or sex for reproduction??

Alyssa- as an economist, I have to note that your (or your professor's) thinking on big families is flawed. While more people working may help stimulate the economy, a portion of those people also might drain the economy, i.e. those on welfare. Also, the Discovery Health website states that the "estimated number of Duggar diapers to date is 90,000" - unless those were cloth (which contributes to their laundry), that's a whole lot of diaper waste going into the landfills. Also, "the Duggars do approximately 200 loads of laundry each month" - the water use and the chemicals in laundry detergent are most certainly a drain on the environment. Just because the planet isn't 5 seconds away from imploding, doesn't mean people shouldn't start making eco-friendly choices to help sustain what we have and repair damage we've done.
Also, Kay - people don't criticize Angelina because she's helping to better the lives of children that are already born, not adding 4 or more of her own to those parentless babies already out there. And she and Brad are big supporters of environmental awareness.
Finally, if the Duggars can afford 17 (and counting) kids, they could afford to send 3, 4, 5 or so kids to college, rather than having them use grants and scholarships. Where do you think that money comes from? The government, etc. I'm not accusing them of not loving their family, but there's no arguing that there is definitely an element of irresponsibility, for all the reasons mentioned by myself and others, to the Duggars "going forth and muliplying" (exponentially).

I'm sorry. How is rearing 17 children in a home filled with love "irresponsible"? More power to them and blessings abundant!

I watched the TV shows with the Duggars, visited their website and watched interviews with the Duggar kids on youtube, and while I certainly couldn't imagine their lifestyle for myself, I can't help but feel great respect for them.
First and foremost they are deeply religious - they practice what they call 'JOY' - Jesus first, others second, yourself last. All the kids seem happy and also very confident - I was impressed at how mature and opinionated these children were. Yes, they are being taught responsibility from an early age but they are still allowed to play and have fun - I saw their huge activity centre in the garden, I saw them out riding their bikes and do all sorts of stuff that every other 'normal' kids do. The Duggars lead by example. They are deeply devout. They work hard and are completely debt free - and not just since the TV shows . They don't drink, don't smoke, don't swear and do everything, I mean everything, together as a family. They hardly ever watch TV and they use the internet mainly for educational purposes. Now, as I said I couldn't/wouldn't want to live like them but Jim and Michelle statet that they were both brought up the same way they are living now, it's what they are and all they know. And since this family does EVERYTHING together I'm sure all the kids get a lot of attention. (Michelle said that she makes sure she regularly spends a little time with each of her children individually), to talk, cuddle and reflect on their day. Michelle has so much power I really don't know how she does it but she does - I saw her ill with flu and still she carried on like normal, without whining or complaining.
Most peobably wouldn't dream of living like them but who are we to judge these people? I wish that family all the best.

"There is plenty of room for everyone, because people die at the same rate as they are born. "

I'm not going to pass judgment on these people because they're perfectly at liberty to have as many children as they want, but I do think we need to work on our math and science skills here. Two people in this story are likely to die a lot sooner than 17. In many countries, especially third-world countries where birth control is difficult to obtain, people breed beyond themselves. Even three children born to every two people explodes in a few generations -- and three is a very low number of children for a great number of countries across the world; I don't think the single example of Germany quite balances it out. Also, as medicine improves (which it perpetually does), life expectancy goes up as infant mortality goes down. Only in very few countries are people dying at the same rate as they're being born; the population is growing all the time in most parts of the world. That's simply a very ignorant statement.

Whoa... Anyone else think of grandkids? I mean... hopefully they arent like their parents and each have 17 kids of their own! Whao... thats like over 250 kids... But even if they have 5 or so... still huge! crazy... i say if u can support them... and bring them up right? more power to u!

To the people who think having 17 children is wrong - how do you feel about people who choose to have NO children? The number of children a couple has should be up to them as long as they are supporting those children and raising them well.

I wish upstanding moral people would choose to have larger families. Though, I do wish more of the larger families were via adoption, I realize I do not have a say in other people's reproductive choices.

That said, I do respect the fact that everyone here has a right to their own opinion.

I'm from Arkansas (where they live), and I can tell you they are on public assistance. Therefore, they CANNOT afford to provide for all these children. Our state is paying for these children. That's the reason they are debt free. It's not really discussed on the documentaries, but it is discussed in the media here.

Also, to whoever said that birth and death rates are the same, you are horribly mistaken. When a couple has 2 children, then it is equal. Anything over 2 and the population goes up. The economy might improve (though I think that logic is faulty as well), the planet will not. Please explain your belief about hoe great the planet is doing to all the plant and animal species that are almost extinct.

Their children seemed very loved and taken care of. I really believe it's their own business how many children they have. Instead of saying they shouldn't have anymore children, say that to the people who truly DON'T need any/anymore kids but have them anyways.

Yes there are kids out there that need to be adopted and need a loving home. They could adopt them yes but that can be said about everyone who wants kids.

Let them live their own lives. Has anyone heard the saying, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all". I would think EVERYONE has heard that before but from the looks of alot of posts, most haven't.

Alyssa, you cannot equate economics with environmental issues.

Yes, if we want to sustain our current lifestyle (big houses, big cars, big consumerism) we need to create more people to enter the workforce. Unfortunately our current lifestyle is not sustainable in environmental terms.

If you seriously think there is no such thing as global warming, etc, come to Australia where more than 80% of our country is now in drought and we're running our of water and people are getting more skin cancer than ever before despite huge educational campaigns to slip/slop/slap.

How many farming states in the US are slowly turning into dustbowls? Why are ice-caps are melting? Why has the average temperature risen? Why are entire species of animals dying out? Usually you can bring each of these problems back to an "economic" cause. We've overfarmed, we've overfished, we've bought products wrapped in plastic and produced too much rubbish, we've used too much of the oil reserves, we've emitted too much carbon dioxide, we've burnt too much coal. And we do it all to fuel "economic growth". The richer are richer than ever and getting richer. The poor are poorer than ever and getting poorer.

Well, congratulations on your booming economy.

WOW! I just can't imagine why everyone thinks it's their right to judge someone else and their family decisions.

They are meeting all of their children's basic needs. They love their kids.

There are plenty of families out there with just a kid or two that do NOT take good care of them. That do NOT spend individual time with them. That plop them in front of the TV, stuff junk food in their mouths and do their own thing instead. Spoiled rotten, over privledged kids are becoming the norm here. Learning no morals, no responsibility and feeling entitled to everything.

JimBob and Michelle are doing what is right for their family. They are raising some really great kids. NO one here has a right to judge them. It's just none of your business. You all should think about how you'd feel if someone were making comments about your family choices.

Best wishes to the Duggar family!!

I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my comments, especially you lilybett...I posted out of passion. I know my statements aren't supported...I did look it up the birth rate is about double the death rate...sorry:-) But I still don't think there's anything wrong with that, I truely believe that this country will still thrive and no I do not believe in global warming, so what. As for my economy comments...I was just repeating what my professor said, and I'm sure he knows his stuff. One of the reasons we have a higher birth rate is because we are living longer...I guess? I was just trying to remind people that even though babies are born, people also die. As for my environmental comments. Human's have been able to adapt to their surroundings since forever, I think we'll do fine. (Darwin, people??? Certain species just can't survive.) I just think it's impossible to debate destruction to the environment, because it would make us all hypocrites since we all contribute in negative ways (no matter how much you fight it).

I have many negative feelings about this couple -- and yes, I watched the TLC special -- that stem from being raised in a church that insisted large families were a requirement of God. However, I can't tell you the countless number of women I knew who, after four or five pregnancies, had horrific gynelogical complications. Yet they persisted in having children, because they felt they'd be eternally condemned otherwise. I can't imagine how much damage Michelle Duggar has done to her body with so many pregnancies. Nor can I imagine how their children will view parenthood in the years to come. I know of many kids -- from the church in which I was raised -- who now not only complete reject religion, but also nix parenthood, because it was foisted on them at a young age.

As for those who raise the ecological issues, please know that these churches preach that folks like you and I, who advocate moderation, are trying to stop the kingdom of Heaven. If one does exist, I doubt anything we mere humans can do could stop it.

I'm the oldest of five children and really did feel shortchanged on parental attention as a kid. With the big difference in age between the youngest and myself, I was called on frequently to be the third parent and help out. I was the go-to family babysitter and forever asked to "watch your brother/sister while mom runs errands, feeds the baby, etc..." I missed out on countless social opportunities as a teenager because the younger kids consumed my parents' time and attention. And when I reached college, my parents had NO ability to contribute to the expense because there were so many of us. Needless to say, I'm not sure I'll have kids - and if I do, I only plan to have 1 or 2 max.
I really feel for the older Duggar children. Large families are great - and I love mine - but it's an extra heavy burden being the oldest and I think it's wrong to saddle anyone with 16 siblings. There are limits to how much love and time and attention parents have to give and it can reach a point where it's just not enough.

I say Congratulations to the Duggar's. As long as they are not a drain on society and have found a way to make it work then let them be.

As far as the whole issue on the impact on the environment...who are you to have the audacity and arrogance to think that WE control the changes on the PLANET? The impact that humans have on the environment is minuscule in comparison that nature has on the environment. If we could control the environment, we could stop deadly tornadoes and tsunami's. The ocean releases more carbon dioxide than any human impact could come close to.

I encourage everyone to watch this documentary that aired on the BBC about global warming.

Blessedwithboys, I practice ecological breastfeeding (cosleep, feed on demand, my kids don't sleep more than an hour and a half without nursing till they're over 1, I babywear and baby snacks VERY frequently all day, never apart from baby, no solids/bottles/formula/pumping/water till at LEAST 8 months... probably more I am not thinking of). I get my period back at 7 weeks postpartum. I've only had two children carried to term, but it's consistant each time. I'm one of those unusual women who just cycles quickly no matter what. And, I DO see the eggwhite CM at the appropriate ovulation times. I've never temped that early, but I can almost guarantee you I'm ovulating that early (pain near ovary, EWCM, etc.). I'm not going to test the theory, ever, but I'm willing to put money on the fact I could have two children within a year practicing ecological breastfeeding.

here-here dooney!!!

On a lighter note folks, I happen to love their Tator-tot casserole recipe :) Cheers!

All I can say is better her than me! LOL! Seriously, 100 years ago it wasn't unusual to have 8 or 10 kids or more and the majority came out reasonably normal. It was also normal then to have the older children help out with the younger ones and do chores and work together as a family. Keep in mind this was also before conveniences like disposable diapers, microwaves and washing machines! Small and large families each have advantages and disadvantages. My daughter's mother-in-law had 5 kids in 4 years (no twins) and I'm amazed she stayed sane or mostly anyway :). I do think her children didn't get much attention when they were babies, but they were all 11-12 months apart. I agree that however many you have, it's better to have a little space between them, but again that should be the parent's choice. Otherwise, congratulations to them!

Alyssa, people die at the same rate they are born? Have you looked at the census count from say, 1900 to the present? Unbelievable.

Good for them. I come from a family of 14 and I NEVER suffered from not getting enough love! If you suffer from not getting enough love as a child it is your parents to balme for no being good parents! I am unable to have child, (not because I came from 14)I think those that can forget what a great blessing they are form God. There can never be to many kids, never

I don't agree with many of the things they do as parents. The buddy system being one of them.

But I don't necessarily think they are bad parents either.

I say more power to them. I actually helped quite a bit in my household, I was the baby until my two younger brothers came along. It didn't harm me to help with them, babysit them or care for them - I cleaned house regularly, I played with them and I was available when needed - it strengthened me, made me more responsible and I still got to enjoy my teenage years. I say if God sends them then go for it - I mean after all this isn't just biology - these children have eternal souls so it must have been ordained of God. I think they are blessed. If we start putting number limits on people regarding how many children they can have, the next thing you know, all types of rules will be imposed. This is not irresponsible if they can care for these kids. I know plenty of girls playing mommy, thinking they have achieved greatness while we foot the bill.

I have watched all their documentaries and researched their belief system ( I am an info junkie..lol). While I respectfully disagree with some of THEIR beliefs, I fully respect their RIGHTS and their "walking the walk" lifestyle. Certainly most people draw from their own experiences so there will be those who grew up in a large family and were miserable and visa versa. FROM WHAT WAS SHOWN on their shows they seem to have mastered their lives as well as any human beings can. My paternal grandfather was one of 16 children to a truly saintly lady, they grew up on a farm in Alabama, USA.... ALL (believe it or not) said it was hard and wonderful. Congratulations to the Duggars, and as Michelle and I ( I am the mom of ONLY 3) are the same age, I sort of groan for her physically..... Here's praying for a safe and healthy birth and baby!!

I have 3 children, and that's all I could handle...BUT...the Duggar's are those rare people that SHOULD be raising children and from what I've seen, are doing a tremendous job AND are totally self-supporting. I like the way they're teaching the children to be caring and giving vs selfish and needy.

To the posters who suggested that the Duggar's should adopt orphans..maybe they will once they've stopped having natural children or if they feel led to do that. I have a question for you..have YOU adopted any orphans lately?? :p...I haven't either..I rather liked the whole process of children conceived together etc etc

And...like someone else said..if they're not crying out for charity and are totally responsible about raising the children and are doing a TERRIFIC job, what business is it of ours ANYWAY?!

It is a couple's choice to have as many children as they want, but there are only 24 hours in a day; children need to be shown constant love and affection. I cannot see how the Duggar children are getting it from their parents. Children should have the opportunity to socialize outside of their family and join sports and clubs. What if one of these children wanted to join a little league team and another wanted to take voice lessons? I think it is unfair to these children that they probably are more easily denied these types of activities that regular kids do. I personally would like more than just two kids when that time comes in my life, but 17? Do these older children have lives? I think it is terrible that they raise their younger siblings; there is time for that later when they grow up and physically become adults and have their own children to raise. The Duggars are very religious and I think it is good that their children are healthy, safe, and were taught morals and strong beliefs, but I think there is a fine line between loving your children and loving to have children.

yup Australia is screwed.no rain, dry lakes,rivers&creeks,overcrowded roads, sky-high priced produce, unacceptable gas emissions, u name it. get these 2 some underwear.

I came across this family through the Discovery H&H. I really respect this Dugger family. It's never easy to have that many own biological children, morever, they both really educate the children well!! I bet they really give them the best. 24 hrs a day is never enough for sure, even for the rest of us, but management is the key to all. The family really manage & organize the family, children, well! It'll be useless even if parents with one child can't manage and educate their child well.
I agree that buddy system is a good way in managing such a large siblings. This way, children able to care for each other. I came from quite a big family as well, 6 siblings. We practice this buddy system at home as well, and it turns out to be the best system of all!
I don't agree at all for some who said that "the Duggers are 'irresponsible' to produce so many children when there are many more children homeless". This is not 'irresponsible'. I bet people who said this do not do anything at all to these homeless children! I bet they don't adopt them as well. So, how can they said the Duggers are irresponsible.
Parenting is the most fundamental to a family & to the society. Many parents deliver their children without educating them, between the right & wrong, paying attention to their children. That's why the statistic of the teenagers & youth involved in drugs, & other crimes keep on increasing!
Producing 17 or more children with well-educated will definitely benefits the society and the country than just producing only 1 destroyer!
I really salute the Duggers family and wish them all the best, live happily & healthy always.

Alyssa, the main reason the population of the US keeps expanding is immigration. New immigrants tend to have larger families. Once they acculturate to this country, the size of their families decreases remarkably. Second-generation immigrant families usually have no more children than native-born Americans.

In Europe and Japan, there is actually a population decrease, because people are not producing children at a rate to sustain the population. One-child families are common, and that includes traditionally Catholic countries like Spain and Italy. In third world countries the population is exploding off the hook; half the population in some of those countries is under 15. (Tragically, in many African countries the life expectancy is being cut almost in half by AIDS after many years of progress.)

All that said, you can't adopt an attitude of "God will provide". The earth's resources are finite. Thanks to global warming and overpopulation, we are in danger of eating ourselves right off the planet. I admire the Duggars' ability to take care of their own, but having so many children is irresponsible. Just imagine if everyone in the US had double-digit families, how long do you think it would be before this country's resources went bust?

God created the earth but it's up to us to take care of it. Breeding like rabbits on steroids isn't going to help.

Time will tell...time will tell if these kids got their emotional needs met, etc. I find it interesting that so many commented on "managing to support them all without assistance". How does that have anything to do with the quality of life? They have no individuality...even with their names. Time will tell what the results of this will be. It isn't Biblical times after all..it's the 21st century, and WE ARE WEARING OUT THE EARTH, and her resources. They could be adopting, to say the very least. That said, of course, of course I wish them well.

To Brookefan:
My point exactly. If they want to raise a large family, there are "special needs" children in this country and overseas in desperate need of loving and caring families. There is no need to replicate themselves 17 times when they could have one or two and give 15 or 16 adopted children a good home.

Alyssa and Dooney,
I'm aware that people with your beliefs on the environment exist but I guess it still shocks me to the core to hear such ignorance.

To make it simple:
The world's birth rate doesn't equal the death rate, look at the census rates.

And to actually make a statement that humans have less of an impact on the environment than nature....What?? The environment IS nature...so what exactly does your statement mean?? Do you mean that humans cutting down forests, polluting the air, wiping out species, wiping out resouces, etc. is causing LESS of an impact on the environment than the environment is causing on itself????And I would LOVE to see your facts on the ocean releasing more CO2 than humans...because that sounds less than plausible.

I'm sorry but as an environmentally-educated person who is actively trying to help the Earth sustain the people who are already here, the people who will be added to the population, and the Earth itself - because, believe it or not, humans aren't the most amazing things on this planet.....
I'm appalled at your ignorance.

I come from a family like this and I was one of the older children, my whole childhood was house work and helping with kids, I'm sad to say my mother was dead at 47 and my father a few years after and we were left to look after the younger ones, by the time I was finished raising the last of them I was in my late 30's, also we were home schooled, because it was easier for my parents so I am very uneducated and have no qualifications, and any thought of having a family of my own has passed. I do love my parents but I would give anything for it to have been different.

You know some of you just don't get it. I am very happy for the duggers. If my body and health problems would allow me to have 17 precious children and I knew that was God's Will, you bet I would in a heartbeat. I am just so happy with the several children God has blessed me with. Some of us serve a wonderful God who directs every step we take. I truely believe in what the Duggers are doing and I hope they have 17 more if God wills this for their lives. I am not trying to offend anyone but some of you just don't get it at all. Some of you could learn a lot from the Duggers and their lives. If you have the true love of God in your heart how could you even be so critical of someone doing God's will.

I truely believe the each of the Duggers have their own personalities. There is no way we should be so critical of seeing them on tv and then making our oppinions on their personalities. Unless we live their lives we have no right to judge them.

You GO DUGGERS I am happy God has decided to Bless you with 17 Miracles. I wish I had the oppertunity to know you personally I know I could learn a lot from you myself.

I have watched a couple of episodes of the Duggars and I find it fascinating that they are doing exactly what they want in the way of family. They obviously can afford all these children and her body seems to be healthy enough for it. Good for them. From what I have seen they are doing it the RIGHT WAY!

I cringe at the many comments from selfish, self-centered individuals and arm-chair counselors who think they have all the answers.
What may not be so good for you is great for the Duggars. They are Christian people who are able to live and raise their family like a family should be raised. Of course we see the nice part of raising such a large family.
I am sure that not always are there so many happy faces. Sometime during the course of the day(s), week(s) etc. there has to be fighting and arguing going on. Mom and dad arguing, or disagreeing on something. And eventually as with all families, one or two of the kids will show some ugly rebellion and all will not be so nicey nicey.
Eventually momma will have to stop having children. The good thing about modern childbearing, she will have the best diagnosis and care in determining when to stop. One thing about having all those children, if her body goes the way of the many women(of past generations)who have had a grip of children, she probably will breeze through menopause, and not have to face ovarian cysts and uterine tumors.
I wish them G-d's blessings in all that they do.

I don't see anything wrong with the buddy system. Infact, I think it would be wrong not to have the older kids do anything. As a family, they each have their own responsibility to do their part. And this is coming from a 16 year old with 4 younger siblings (and thee older brother).
As for the comments some left about homeschooling. What exactly is wrong with it? Are you afraid they are going to become self-relient, smart people who don't march to the beat of the systems drum? Chances are, they are probably going to graduate earlier and have learned more than any public school could have ever taught them. How do I know? I am homeschooled and I am due to graduate this June. I went to public school for a year in 2005 and they were "teaching" me things I learned when I was 10.
I think what they are doing is great. They are a happy family. They love each other and they respect each other. I hope they have as many children as God bestows on them.

I love the Duggars, and enjoy watching their show on TLC. Michelle is such an inspiration to mothers everywhere. They seem like wonderful parents. If anyone is worried about each child getting enough attention, in my opinion they get more than enough. Not only do they have 2 parents that love them, they also have 15 brothers and sisters that are always there for each other. Jim Bob is a great provider for his family, they even live a debt free lifestyle. I say, MORE POWER TO THEM!

I think it is great that you have all the children. Yes I know as a mother of just 5 and 1 foster child that they are a blessing and I loved having my large family and wish I could have had more. Good luck and my God bless you and your family.

Pam

How weird would it be if the older kids started having kids and mom duggar was still popping them out too. That would get confusing!!

Does Michelle Duggar have a website ?

She's gotta be the most experienced mother on earth.

How does she get them to sleep through the night? My twins are 2 & my singleton is 1 & they still cry out @ night. I'm tired !!! How does she do it?

I am one of 13 children-remarkable, talented, and tremendously responsible people, now raising children in the same vein. I regularly thank my mother for giving me my brothers and sisters, now my best friends, and my neices and nephews are my own children's(8) best friends. Social awareness and generosity naturally evolve in a solid big family,and the sibling camaraderie fill in the gaps where parents time is strained. I LOVED my childhood, and my adulthood is rich and peaceful because we all matter to each other. I wish everyone could experience this joy. AS for children contributing in schooling and care of younger ones, critics ahould read up on Maria Montessori's philosophy of education, in which children helping to nurture each other is fundamental--this philosophy is widely accepted as hugely effective-- To me, it just looks like large family life transplanted to the school setting. These Duggers are proving that it is possible to parent many children well. God bless them.

Congratulations to the Duggar family on your new addition. I married the 17th child from a family of 19, no twins. My husband's parents were the most loving people I have ever known. I am proud to be part of their amazing family. The youngest is now in his 40's so I can speak to you about how they will feel when they are older. Believe me they would not have changed a thing about their childhood. We have 4 children of our own and we raise them to be each others best friend. Sure they have many other friends but when it comes down to it they have each others back, without question. Large families share a bond that is unbreakable. They will always have each others love and with that much love you can accomplish anything.

I love watching the Duggars. It seems that they are having/raising their children the way they want to.
I don't see folks complaining about limited resources and the environment when purchasing gas guzzling SUVs or when celebs full garages with 20 plus cars.
Why buy million dollar homes when you could by hundred thousand dollar ones and give the extra money to charity?
This is the most individualistic society in the world.
Let's please respect that and allow folks to live their lives as they see fit.
All the best Duggars. Congratulations!

My mom is number 10 of 15 (6 boys/9 girls) and there was only one set of twins at the very end. That leaves me with about 60+ first cousins. I don't know many of them personally, seeing as though I live all the way across the country- but my mother's family, each and every one of them is incredibly talented.. I don't know what my grandma was thinking having that many children, but if you talk to each kid, they couldn't imagine life w/o one of their siblings. On the parenting end, my mom's siblings raised her, she considers that she didn't have "parents," she never saw them, nor got to have one on ones with them.... If Michelle Duggar can make 17 work, and not be a burden on the state, I say more power to ya!!! People don't know what it is to be a family these days. Now kids have Nannys, Daycare, Processed Food.... Now its a treat to many kids to have a homemade meal!!!

I have watch the Duggar Family on TLC. They seem like such wonderful people. I don't fully agree with the buddy system however alot of people are quick to say something negative about them having 17 children but at least they provide and take care of their 17 children. There are many people out there who don't care 2 or 3 children properly. The children seem very happy and very much loved. So more power to them at least they are taking care of their children and not depending on the system to take care of them!

I personally believe that Jim Bob and Michelle are doing a fantastic job at raising a healthy, happy and well adjusted family free from the outrageous vulgarities of our public school system! Their children are growing up learning the true value of God, family, a dollar and hard work! I commend them wholeheartedly for their accomplishments!
Too many people these days are quick to judge and there are so many kids out there now that haven't learned these values at all and prefer to steal, cheat, lie, smoke, swear, drink, kill each other and are just plain bad for society as a whole!
I would definately have home schooled my two kids if I had researched it further when they were in school to prevent them from getting into trouble! They are both good kids and are heading in the right direction now but they both have had minor trouble with the law. Our school systems can't provide the kind of curriculum and environment for our kids that we can at home and they really do learn faster!
I do wonder, however, if adoption ever crossed their minds? They have so much to offer a child without a family! Anyhow, the best of luck to all the Duggars in everything they do! I know they will all be very successful in their lives!

Bravo to the Duggars! Their lifestyle isn't for everyone (it's not for me) but they're NOT out there preaching to everyone to have 17+ kids. Leave them alone...there fine and they're happy isn't that what we all want. As far as the criticisms about their homeschooling-it's those who ridicule this family who have children that would tease the Duggar kids for their unique family, in a public school system. These kids are well mannered, law obeying members of society and they have Mom and Dad to thank for it.